Catastrophism - It's What's For Dinner!

Suppose your son has a serious case of bone cancer.  Would you trust a Young Scientist to treat your child?  That is, would you trust Doogie Howser (14 yo)?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096569/

 

Would you listen to a Young Earth Scientist #YES who shares evidence for a youthful world?  I have written two books on that account:

 

Is a Young Earth Possible? - How Science and History Point to a Youthful World and Why it Matters ★★★★½

https://www.amazon.com/Young-Earth-Possible-Science-Youthful/dp/1088860788/

 

YES - Young Earth Science ★★★★

https://www.amazon.com/YES-WorldView-Fallacies-Darwinism-2014-11-14/dp/B01K3RF10I

Catastrophism (most rocks formed fast) is a key pillar in the case for a #YoungPlanet ... Immanuel Velikovsky (Иммануи́л Велико́вский) brought #Catastrophism #CAT into larger public awareness with such works as Worlds in Collision (1950) and Earth in Upheaval (1955):

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Immanuel-Velikovsky

 

In 2015, Charles Ginenthal came out with Newton, Einstein, and Velikovsky which deals with the instability of the Solar System and challenges mainstream dating methods:

https://www.velikovsky.info/newton-einstein-and-velikovsky/

 

Einstein (d. 1955) and Velikovsky (d. 1979) corresponded with each other from 1946 to 1955: 

http://www.varchive.org/cor/einstein/index.htm

https://www.velikovsky.info/before-the-day-breaks/

What started the #OldEarth fad?  Rejecting #CAT ... we read this from the New International Encyclopedia (1915):

 

Geological work is so slow, and the evidence of vast changes in the past, so clear, that, so long as it was held that the age of the earth was to be reckoned in a period of a few thousand years, no other conclusion was possible than that the changes observed had been rapidly made as a result of stupendous  catastrophes. ... however, it was made clear by Hutton and his successors that the recorded facts indicates slow changes, it began to appear possible that the age of the earth was great [millions of years].  The promulgation of the doctrine of evolution, and the increased knowledge of past life, as recorded by the fossils, brought further evidence of the great age of the earth. [1]   

 

What can we say about prejudice against #CAT ?  According to Michael Rampino (Biology Prof, NYU),

 

In 1831, the Scottish horticulturalist Patrick Matthew (1790-1874) published a clear statement of the law of natural selection ... which both Darwin and Wallace later acknowledged. Matthew, however, was a catastrophist, and he presented natural selection within the contemporary view that relatively long intervals of environmental stability [and biological stasis ?] were episodically punctuated by catastrophic mass extinctions of life. https://nyuscholars.nyu.edu/en/publications/darwins-error-patrick-matthew-and-the-catastrophic-nature-of-the-

 

More on Patrick Matthew here:

https://dl0.creation.com/articles/p142/c14250/j29_2_119-123.pdf

 

Derek Victor Ager, former President of the British Geological Association, published The New Catastrophism - The Importance of the Rare Event in Geological History in 1995:

https://www.cambridge.org/us/universitypress/subjects/earth-and-environmental-science/sedimentology-and-stratigraphy/new-catastrophism-importance-rare-event-geological-history

 

Is a Global Flood, as described by the hundreds of #FloodLegends from around the world, really a thing?  Marilyn "super smart" vos Savant (see the graphic) said that if you flatten out the Earth, the oceans would cover the land to a depth of 8810' (1⅔ miles). [2]

One primary figure in the "No Young Earth" Movement was the late Ron Numbers (d. 2023).  I had the opportunity to hear his story in a small group @ OU's History of Science Department in the early 1990's.  Although raised Adventist, Dr. Numbers spurned Deluge Theory:

 

I vividly remember the evening I attended an illustrated lecture on the famous sequence of fossil forests in Yellowstone National Park and then stayed up most of the night … agonizing over, then accepting, the disturbing likelihood that the earth was at least thirty thousand years old. Having thus decided to follow science rather than Scripture on the subject of origins, I quickly, though not painlessly, slid down the proverbial slippery slope toward unbelief.

https://creation.com/the-yellowstone-petrified-forests

 

It is now widely recognized that the Yellowstone "fossil forests" - 27 layers @  Specimen Ridge & around 50 layers @ Specimen Creek - were formed catastrophically.  Dr Michael Arct studied the tree ring "fingerprints" of over a dozen trees in different levels and found that they all died around the same time which is consistent with rapid formation of the ash deposits.

https://creation.com/the-yellowstone-petrified-forests

 

Dr. Numbers should have changed his mind !!

The eruption of Mt. St. Helens (1980) #MSH is a clear parallel to Yellowstone:

https://origins.swau.edu/papers/dinos/yellowstone/eng/index.html

In 1962, Henry Morris (Genesis Flood, 1961) spoke to the Houston Geological Society and gave a presentation on #Catastrophism #CAT

https://www.galaxie.com/article/gj04-2-02

 

Dr. Morris spoke to a crowd of 500 folks and during the Q&A time there was dead silence!   According to one observer, the audience was "too stunned to speak!" [3] 

 

Interview with David Kitts - my History of Science Prof:

https://youtu.be/TmF7Y3kpucU

In spite of all this, they kept on sinning;

    in spite of his wonders, they did not believe.

So he ended their days in futility

    and their years in terror.

Whenever God slew them, they would seek him;

    they eagerly turned to him again.

They remembered that God was their Rock,

    that God Most High was their Redeemer. (Ps. 78:32-35)

 

my site: https://totalyouth.us

Notes:

1) New International Encyclopedia (1915), Vol. "G" (?), p. 595.

different vol. for reference:

https://books.google.com/books/about/New_International_Encyclopedia.html?id=qxooAAAAYAAJ

2) "Ask Marilyn" by Marilyn vos Savant, Parade, July 9, 2000, p. 14.

3) The Creationists by Ron Numbers (Harvard Univ. Press, 2006, exp. ed.), pp. 235, 236.

 

** kudos: graphic sources >>

https://avatars.mds.yandex.net/get-kinopoisk-image/1900788/c8f27e4f-d65c-4303-a36a-a7dbf80c55ce/orig

https://www.velikovsky.info/before-the-day-breaks/

https://arkencounter.com/christmas/

 

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No Fossil Trees with Thousands of Rings

Tree rings grow support for Young Earth Science (YES).  Tree Rings Matter.  What tree in the fossil record has the most rings?  There is a Sequoia specimen with 816 growth rings.  Just search “sequoia 89 by 68.”  Where are the fossil trees that are thousands of years old?  Sequoias, Redwoods, Bristlecone pines, Junipers and Olive trees can live for thousands of years.[1]  Why are there no 2K, 3K or 4K year old trees in the fossil record?  If the earth is young this is no problem.  How do supporters of Old Earth Fallacies (OEF’s) handle this enigma?    

Many attempt to avoid the weight of this argument by claiming that the fossil record of trees is not abundant.  The oldest forest trees are dated at 385M years by Big Science, so lack of fossil evidence is just an escape mechanism.  If there have been hundreds of millions of years for fossil trees to form, then why do we see no fossil trees with thousands of rings?  Trees can’t run away from tsunamis or floods.  We witnessed the initial formation of fossil trees in the 1980’s.  According to Wikipedia:

“…virtually identical lahar and stream deposits that contain buried upright standing trunks of forests and beds of transported logs and upright stumps were created by the 1980 eruption of Mount St. Helens, and other Quaternary and Holocene eruptions of other Cascade Range volcanoes.  The Late Pleistocene lahar and stream deposits of Mount St. Helens contain buried prehistoric logs and in place (in situ) upright tree trunks that are in the initial stages of being naturally petrified by silica.” (emphasis added)

Erling Dorf (d. 1984) was a professor of Geology at Princeton.  He studied the fossil trees at Yellowstone and found that the average number of tree rings was 500 – far less than 4,000!  At one time the Yellowstone Fossil Forest was considered to have taken 20K years to form.[2]  Now a catastrophic interpretation is widely accepted.

Some might claim that redwoods don’t ever become fossilized, but that’s not the case.  The PetrifiedForest near Calistoga, CA has the largest fossil trees in the world.  There are redwoods and one pine that have been turned to rock.  The fossil tree named “The Queen” is estimated to have 2K rings, but this deposit is of relatively recent origin according to standard geological dating (3.4M).[3]  The point is, where are the trees from Jurassic times with 2K, 3K or 4K rings? 

Is the fossil record really woefully incomplete?  A scholarly work last century specifically addressed that very issue, The Adequacy of the Fossil Record edited by Stephen Donovan and Christopher Paul (Wiley, 1998).  Donovan and Paul demonstrate that protesting about the “incompleteness of the fossil record” is just an excuse.  This book deals specifically with the completeness of the fossil data.  The fossil record may be incomplete, but it is entirely adequate for most studies.

Tree rings ring true, Young Earth Science (YES) has friends in the forest.

Notes:

1) YES - Young Earth Science by Jay Hall (IDEAS, Big Spring, TX, 2014), pp. 20, 21.

2) Hall, pp. 120, 121.

3) This count is apparently based on the width of the tree.